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		<title>By: Prof.Plamen K.Georgiev</title>
		<link>http://thekaufmannpost.net/eyes-wide-open-olympics-netizens-and-web-governance/comment-page-1/#comment-776</link>
		<dc:creator>Prof.Plamen K.Georgiev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China is for sure not the only concern of the democratic global community. Many smaller (glocal) &quot;firewalls&quot; seem to have shaped ( or  in extensive progress) in the new democracies in South Eastern Europe. This is an emerging cyber market beynd most of the monitoring NGOs activities. “Net Nannies” of uncertain and less popular governments and their most perplexed institutions abuse citizens rights in many ways. The tradition of &quot;total tapping&quot; inherited by the near communist past, has been pervertly proppelled. This occurs through generous aid and implementatio of  high tech facilities, often  misused through “unofficial” directives to internet providers,  posting pro-government news, filtring comments or blog entries.  Meanwhile Internet hackers at this side nourished a specific culture of untouchability feeding on the weekness of law, or unefficient control over cyber fraud. It may take ages before  the actors of the shadow economy who build on this strategy, untill  public opinion becomes aware of many hidden, less transparent tricks to misuse the Internet for quasi-political aims. Some Chinization as Kaufmann suggest is to be witnessed as a global trend. This should be of greater concerns not only of the  World Bank blogs entries. Daniel Kaufmann is for sure  the flagman of this new issue at stake. The scrutiny on censorship through Internet, moreover the anticorruption fight in a changed new cyber compexity should be less ideologically ( propaganda) influeced. It has to face face simple citizens rights and pragmaic issues of more transparancy on global politics. The Georgia case might well be a good example of blaiming The Bair  for being attacked by the wasps. There are many more events like this, which have to be analyzed by bloggers before they read daily newspapers or blogs earlier than others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China is for sure not the only concern of the democratic global community. Many smaller (glocal) &#8220;firewalls&#8221; seem to have shaped ( or  in extensive progress) in the new democracies in South Eastern Europe. This is an emerging cyber market beynd most of the monitoring NGOs activities. “Net Nannies” of uncertain and less popular governments and their most perplexed institutions abuse citizens rights in many ways. The tradition of &#8220;total tapping&#8221; inherited by the near communist past, has been pervertly proppelled. This occurs through generous aid and implementatio of  high tech facilities, often  misused through “unofficial” directives to internet providers,  posting pro-government news, filtring comments or blog entries.  Meanwhile Internet hackers at this side nourished a specific culture of untouchability feeding on the weekness of law, or unefficient control over cyber fraud. It may take ages before  the actors of the shadow economy who build on this strategy, untill  public opinion becomes aware of many hidden, less transparent tricks to misuse the Internet for quasi-political aims. Some Chinization as Kaufmann suggest is to be witnessed as a global trend. This should be of greater concerns not only of the  World Bank blogs entries. Daniel Kaufmann is for sure  the flagman of this new issue at stake. The scrutiny on censorship through Internet, moreover the anticorruption fight in a changed new cyber compexity should be less ideologically ( propaganda) influeced. It has to face face simple citizens rights and pragmaic issues of more transparancy on global politics. The Georgia case might well be a good example of blaiming The Bair  for being attacked by the wasps. There are many more events like this, which have to be analyzed by bloggers before they read daily newspapers or blogs earlier than others.</p>
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		<title>By: alfredo</title>
		<link>http://thekaufmannpost.net/eyes-wide-open-olympics-netizens-and-web-governance/comment-page-1/#comment-560</link>
		<dc:creator>alfredo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this video from cnn elaborates more on the blogger&#039;s finding about the gymnastics age:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?JSONLINK=/video/tech/2008/08/21/vause.china.olympics.underage.cnn

this is an AP&#039;s article that cites the reaction from the parents, coach and others... and says that age problems have been an issue since the 1980s:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hi4rzBxgMTM92A9p57rUG_iBvQXAD92NEFQ80</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this video from cnn elaborates more on the blogger&#8217;s finding about the gymnastics age:<br />
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/video/?JSONLINK=/video/tech/2008/08/21/vause.china.olympics.underage.cnn" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/video/?JSONLINK=/video/tech/2008/08/21/vause.china.olympics.underage.cnn</a></p>
<p>this is an AP&#8217;s article that cites the reaction from the parents, coach and others&#8230; and says that age problems have been an issue since the 1980s:<br />
<a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hi4rzBxgMTM92A9p57rUG_iBvQXAD92NEFQ80" rel="nofollow">http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hi4rzBxgMTM92A9p57rUG_iBvQXAD92NEFQ80</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://thekaufmannpost.net/eyes-wide-open-olympics-netizens-and-web-governance/comment-page-1/#comment-537</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While of course there are many examples of this sort of thing that could be cited, I thought I&#039;d add one more, specifically relevant to the Olympics, which I think illustrates the power of ICTs to help keep things transparent.

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/20/1259253

Apparently the original documents submitted by the Chinese General Administration of Sport authenticating the age of a number of the gymnasts, who went on to win gold medals last week, show different (younger) ages than what today&#039;s versions of these documents show.  These documents were wiped from official web sites, but original copies were left behind in the caches of search engines. (Search engine caches often aren&#039;t censored as immediately as other things on the Internet in China).

Here is an explanation:
http://strydehax.blogspot.com/

Now, if this is true (I note that the blog describing all of this was created yesterday, and has only one post -- this one), it is potentially empowering to think what one person with an Internet connection anywhere in the world can unearth about attempts to alter official documents.  And if it isn&#039;t true -- it is interesting to note how much havoc and disinformation one person with an Internet connection anywhere in the world can wreak by questioning the accuracy of official government documents.

Please note that this comment isn&#039;t meant to be about China per se; this specific example cited here just happens to come from there and is relevant to the title of your post, which is why I used it.

No matter who and how mighty you are, when you place your foot in the digital sand, it is becoming increasingly tough for the tide to fully erase it, no matter how strong or powerful the wave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While of course there are many examples of this sort of thing that could be cited, I thought I&#8217;d add one more, specifically relevant to the Olympics, which I think illustrates the power of ICTs to help keep things transparent.</p>
<p><a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/20/1259253" rel="nofollow">http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/20/1259253</a></p>
<p>Apparently the original documents submitted by the Chinese General Administration of Sport authenticating the age of a number of the gymnasts, who went on to win gold medals last week, show different (younger) ages than what today&#8217;s versions of these documents show.  These documents were wiped from official web sites, but original copies were left behind in the caches of search engines. (Search engine caches often aren&#8217;t censored as immediately as other things on the Internet in China).</p>
<p>Here is an explanation:<br />
<a href="http://strydehax.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://strydehax.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>Now, if this is true (I note that the blog describing all of this was created yesterday, and has only one post &#8212; this one), it is potentially empowering to think what one person with an Internet connection anywhere in the world can unearth about attempts to alter official documents.  And if it isn&#8217;t true &#8212; it is interesting to note how much havoc and disinformation one person with an Internet connection anywhere in the world can wreak by questioning the accuracy of official government documents.</p>
<p>Please note that this comment isn&#8217;t meant to be about China per se; this specific example cited here just happens to come from there and is relevant to the title of your post, which is why I used it.</p>
<p>No matter who and how mighty you are, when you place your foot in the digital sand, it is becoming increasingly tough for the tide to fully erase it, no matter how strong or powerful the wave.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanya Gupta</title>
		<link>http://thekaufmannpost.net/eyes-wide-open-olympics-netizens-and-web-governance/comment-page-1/#comment-520</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanya Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you say, it is it is crucial to identify who is arguing internally for change, and the importance of looking at the cultural aspects of governance, and to that end the survey you posted was really helpful.  The most interesting part of the survey was that while in 2005 only 8% of respondents felt political content should be controlled, after just two years almost half (41%) felt it should be controlled and a majority felt that the government should be responsible for Internet management and control. Clearly then, internet governance is not an area that is not the optimal entry point for dialogue.  What I would be interested in finding out is why that number changed so dramatically? Is it related to culture? Does accommodating culture in the governance equation dilute the core issues in governance to a point beyond recognition?

A good interdisciplinary study on China and myriad emerging issues, including governance is at http://www.nytimes.com/ref/college/coll-china-about.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you say, it is it is crucial to identify who is arguing internally for change, and the importance of looking at the cultural aspects of governance, and to that end the survey you posted was really helpful.  The most interesting part of the survey was that while in 2005 only 8% of respondents felt political content should be controlled, after just two years almost half (41%) felt it should be controlled and a majority felt that the government should be responsible for Internet management and control. Clearly then, internet governance is not an area that is not the optimal entry point for dialogue.  What I would be interested in finding out is why that number changed so dramatically? Is it related to culture? Does accommodating culture in the governance equation dilute the core issues in governance to a point beyond recognition?</p>
<p>A good interdisciplinary study on China and myriad emerging issues, including governance is at <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/ref/college/coll-china-about.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/ref/college/coll-china-about.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alfredo</title>
		<link>http://thekaufmannpost.net/eyes-wide-open-olympics-netizens-and-web-governance/comment-page-1/#comment-476</link>
		<dc:creator>Alfredo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The links below show good examples of how censorship in China is exercised by the authorities and how sometimes citizens comply with this action.
(i) a Chinese blogger/journalist who was censored, and whose hard drive was temporarily &quot;confiscated.&quot;  http://advocacy.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/11/29/china-ngo-bloggers-house-raided-hard-drive-confiscated/

(ii) a Chinese blogger complaining that he was censored after another citizen denoun
ced him to the authorities. http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20071130_1.htm

The second example shows that civil society in China still needs to play a more important role, although we should recognize that it’s gaining momentum if we think about how things were several years ago.

However, let’s not put all the blame of censorship and control of information in China.  This is something that also happens in other places of the world, where freedom of speech and free media are preached.  In these countries, information might not be censored, but it is sometimes “oriented.”  An example related to the Olympics is the opening ceremony broadcast in the US.  Besides the fact that the broadcast was delayed in name of profits, it had a particular color tint filtering, with several comments that either despised the capacity and relevance of some delegations or made judgments about the quality their political leaders, governments and situation.

Although, the examples mentioned are just a few, my point is that the issue of censorship is not only about what is banned but also about how the published information is being used and oriented.  Definitely, active citizens have fewer options in China than in other countries.  But common citizens (more passive on average) may sometimes receive similar filtered or oriented information as people in China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The links below show good examples of how censorship in China is exercised by the authorities and how sometimes citizens comply with this action.<br />
(i) a Chinese blogger/journalist who was censored, and whose hard drive was temporarily &#8220;confiscated.&#8221;  <a href="http://advocacy.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/11/29/china-ngo-bloggers-house-raided-hard-drive-confiscated/" rel="nofollow">http://advocacy.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/11/29/china-ngo-bloggers-house-raided-hard-drive-confiscated/</a></p>
<p>(ii) a Chinese blogger complaining that he was censored after another citizen denoun<br />
ced him to the authorities. <a href="http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20071130_1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20071130_1.htm</a></p>
<p>The second example shows that civil society in China still needs to play a more important role, although we should recognize that it’s gaining momentum if we think about how things were several years ago.</p>
<p>However, let’s not put all the blame of censorship and control of information in China.  This is something that also happens in other places of the world, where freedom of speech and free media are preached.  In these countries, information might not be censored, but it is sometimes “oriented.”  An example related to the Olympics is the opening ceremony broadcast in the US.  Besides the fact that the broadcast was delayed in name of profits, it had a particular color tint filtering, with several comments that either despised the capacity and relevance of some delegations or made judgments about the quality their political leaders, governments and situation.</p>
<p>Although, the examples mentioned are just a few, my point is that the issue of censorship is not only about what is banned but also about how the published information is being used and oriented.  Definitely, active citizens have fewer options in China than in other countries.  But common citizens (more passive on average) may sometimes receive similar filtered or oriented information as people in China.</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
		<link>http://thekaufmannpost.net/eyes-wide-open-olympics-netizens-and-web-governance/comment-page-1/#comment-466</link>
		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Internet censorship helps the Chinese authorities to hide the true extent of human rights abuses - like the full extent of their use of the death penalty, and torture and detention without trial and their persecution of peaceful human rights defenders.

The Internet should be a medium for the freedom of expression, not a tool for the government&#039;s repression of its people.

http://uncensor.com.au/uncensor/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internet censorship helps the Chinese authorities to hide the true extent of human rights abuses &#8211; like the full extent of their use of the death penalty, and torture and detention without trial and their persecution of peaceful human rights defenders.</p>
<p>The Internet should be a medium for the freedom of expression, not a tool for the government&#8217;s repression of its people.</p>
<p><a href="http://uncensor.com.au/uncensor/" rel="nofollow">http://uncensor.com.au/uncensor/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ron Brinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Brinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Olympics will continue to evolve as a public
relations tool, political smoke-screen, and commercial opportunity. Coca Cola is the only thing 
that athletes drink, and McDonalds is the Offical
Restaurant of the Olympics.

Did you see the students and Journalist beaten
at the Free Tibet deonstration? Did you know
that poor peoples homes were demolished to
build stadiums? Where are those people now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Olympics will continue to evolve as a public<br />
relations tool, political smoke-screen, and commercial opportunity. Coca Cola is the only thing<br />
that athletes drink, and McDonalds is the Offical<br />
Restaurant of the Olympics.</p>
<p>Did you see the students and Journalist beaten<br />
at the Free Tibet deonstration? Did you know<br />
that poor peoples homes were demolished to<br />
build stadiums? Where are those people now?</p>
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